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    • masiarek
      masiarek last edited by

      Is this factually correct - any comments, ideas?https://www.rankthevoteohio.org/rcv_is_not_a_condorcet_system

      Are these the best explanations? Anything else worth reading?
      https://www.starvoting.org/pass_fail
      https://electionscience.org/library/later-no-harm-criterion/
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Later-no-harm_criterion
      https://www.rangevoting.org/LNH.html

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        Jack Waugh last edited by Jack Waugh

        RCV IRV Hare is not a Condorcet system. The minimal change to make it one is to substitute RCV IRV B2R, which is bottom-two runoff. Let the "Hare score" of a candidate be the count of votes in which that candidate is top among those still in the running. For a given round, consider the bottom two candidates in Hare score. Between those, eliminate from further consideration whichever one is preferred over the other by fewer voters. To make this system really quite decent, I think, permit equal ranking.

        Approval-ordered Llull (letter grades) [10], Score // Llull [9], Score, STAR, Approval, other rated Condorcet [8]; equal-ranked Condorcet [4]; strictly-ranked Condorcet [3]; everything else [0].

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          Isocratia last edited by

          I believe that the later-no-harm criterion is so confusingly worded that people think it means something it doesn't. It's defined in terms of not harming a candidate, but people think that it means that adding a second, third, ranking etc. will never harm the voter. So they think that LNH means that every voter has an incentive to give their full ranking.

          Because IRV fails the participation criterion, it's possible that the voter can be harmed even by adding their first choice. Sure, this will never change the winner from their first choice to someone else, but it could change the winner from their second choice to their 15th choice.

          LNH is meaningless without the participation criterion and it's trivial to show that failing the participation criterion means that a voter can be harmed by adding their second choice as well (e.g. their first choice gets eliminated and their second choice causes a participation criterion failure).

          The only method that satisfies both LNH and the participation criterion is... plurality voting. Or some kind of plurality-equivalent ranked voting which only looks at the first choices. And here it's clear that it only satisfies LNH by completely ignoring everything else after the first choice.

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